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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 564 for the 11th of

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August 2019 which it Saunders here with

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you from Sydney Australia cold snap this

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cold snap

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not in Sydney but close by Sydney in the

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mountains freezing winds icebergs sleet

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polar bears you name it actually it's

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the sort of weather I like coming up on

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this week's show I catch up with a

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friend I've never met Pontus Bookman

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from Sweden Qantas is part of the

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European sceptics podcast one of the

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three people doing that as they like to

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say the real ESP experience Pontus will

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be telling us about recent victories for

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skeptics in Sweden and also about the

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upcoming European skeptics Congress in

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Belgium the joy of skepticism

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it says here looking quickly at the

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European skeptics Congress page 18th

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European skeptics Congress 2019 every

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other year skeptics from all over Europe

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come together to meet at a skeptics

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Congress they listen to talks about a

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variety of subjects participate in

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debates exchange experiences with

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colleagues from abroad while having a

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great time together

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this year we are meeting in Ghent one of

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the great historical cities in Belgium

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home to one of its main universities

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with a pre-program skeptics in the pub

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event in the center of Brussels come and

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join us for three to four days of fun

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and learning and don't forget to sample

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Belgium's fine beers and chocolates

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while you're there that sounds pretty

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good

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that website by the way is e s C 201.57

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a at the Australian Museum just

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yesterday Ian Bryce from the Australian

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skeptics and the mystery investigators

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and a high performed two shows at the

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Museum - absolutely packed houses as

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that they say it was very nice to see so

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many people line up outside the door to

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get into our shows in fact in fact

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people had to be turned away which was

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quite something really a report about

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the show and a report about science day

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in the museum itself with only one

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disappointing aspect and that was a

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little bit of quackery a little bit of

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silly quackery snuck in to a science

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event find out more soon then to round

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off the show we dive into the pages of

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the skeptic magazine way back to 1996

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and read about some skeptical activism

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way back then when Glenn Cardwell sent

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in a complaint to a magazine about an

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advertisement for the vinegar book

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vinegar and it's quite interesting to

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note that the author of this book like a

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lot of quacks tends to think that their

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pet quackery can solve everything

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I think the prime example is homeopathy

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where proponents of homeopathy think it

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is the mystical cure-all for everything

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everything and the group here in

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Australia called homeopathy plus I note

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regularly put out newsletters about what

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homeopathy can fix and cure and help I

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think something to do with radiation

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damage but that's that's a hallmark of

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quackery your fill in the blank here pet

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quackery can fix this this this this

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this this and lots of other things

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anyway find out about the skeptical

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activism all those years ago towards the

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end of the show stay tuned at the end of

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the show for more announcements from me

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs put the kettle on and have a

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nice big mug of hot chocolate on such a

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cold day do I have any marshmallows oh I

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don't think so oh well just a mug of hot

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chocolate well I do that I hope you

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enjoy the skeptics are

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and joining me now from the city of

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Malmo which is in the south of Sweden

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and people who know the TV show the

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bridge which was very popular in

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Australia certainly know now no it's

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pontus from the european sceptics

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podcast ESP and the Swedish sceptics

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hello hello Richard so good to talk to

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you it's interesting isn't it because I

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was just thinking before this interview

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started I've got a lot of friends around

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the world whom I have never met but I've

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sort of met you because we've spoken in

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the past and I can see you on the video

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but I've never actually seen you in

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person no we have to fix that sometime I

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would I think I'll take you up on that

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offer I went to Sweden briefly odd over

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walked on an ice lake which was

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fantastic and a few years ago I was in

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Oslo which I love so yes one year I will

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have to make my way to Sweden but please

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for the sake of our worldwide audience

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what's the state of skepticism in Sweden

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general I mean we have there's so much

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to tell really I think in in Sweden

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for skepticism and that is Oh excellent

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please look at anthroposophical medicine

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so-called medicine will no longer be

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allowed to sell be sold in Sweden from

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1st of September this year so is this

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this has been a theme that we've been

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fighting for a long time there was an

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exception introduced I think several

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decades ago saying that one clinic and

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one pharmacy were allowed to sell these

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nonsense products even though they were

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not formally approved as medicine

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the this exception has been phased out

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and from the 1st of September both the

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clinic will closed and the pharmacy will

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close and all anthroposophical medicine

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is no longer allowed in Sweden so that's

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sure what can you tell me about that

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sort of medicine what's the basis of it

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is it like homeopathy

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the antrum the anthroposophical movement

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become very testy and irritated when you

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call it homeopathy because there's

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there's a little bit in it not it's not

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totally Laimbeer so mapa the-- but it's

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a lot of nonsense it is it was invented

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by a Rudolf Steiner in the early 1900s

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and he believed in angels and believed

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in very many strange things so there's a

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lot of ritual involved so I know one

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nurse who actually practiced for a short

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while at this clinic and he told me that

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when they prepared their medication it

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was very important to - it was third

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counterclockwise and then seven times

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clockwise and then you looked at the

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moon or something it was that kind of

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hocus-pocus really you've got me

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picturing somebody looking at the moon

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stirring something very carefully now

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yeah I'm sure it's all true and that's

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why it works because they put their

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mental energy into the so anyway that's

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no longer allowed so that was that's

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something we've been waiting for for a

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long time actually the decision was

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taking a couple of years ago but now the

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the they faced it out over a couple of

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years and they gave of course there and

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true Pacific people the the chance to if

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you can register the you can register

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these things as medicine but you have to

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show that it works oh and they haven't

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even tried to do that because they know

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they can't prove it well that's

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fantastic I love to hear success stories

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like this I mean worldwide we're all

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moving to try and phase out homeopathy

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largely working a lot of countries

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around the world are cracking down on

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homeopathy or phasing it out or no

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longer tolerating it so every little bit

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helps I think yeah and we do see that in

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Europe of course our good friends in the

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good thinking Society has been very

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successful in the UK getting the NHS to

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more or less now ban all the or not it's

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not banned but they no longer fund the

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whole homeopathy in the UK yeah we're

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seeing the similar things happening in

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in France just a month ago there was a

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decision to face out the funding for

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homeopathy in in France and we know that

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the German minister of health is also

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looking into doing something similar in

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Germany which is a big sensation really

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homeopathy of course and in Australia

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too over the years it's been well there

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are people I mean you get pockets of

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people in every country who swear by it

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system ever invented and we've had big

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problems in this country where people

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have been selling we know the

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homeopathic medicine is fake anyway but

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vaccinations which is caused a great

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alarm yeah and they say well that's why

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they you can't say that it's harmless

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just because it doesn't do anything

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because people take it instead of other

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things and it's both against cancer it's

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vaccinations it's it's for everything so

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really really harmful but it's hard to

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it's hard to convince people that it is

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soundwave if it's just sugar pills and

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what's the harm yes exactly but as you

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straying from the original topic when

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sort of concentrating on homeopathy we

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can do that for a moment most people who

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don't know much about homeopathy think

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that there's a little bit of this

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substance in the in the remedy and when

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you tell them that there is no substance

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in the remedy they they get very

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confused because that's not what they

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thought now because it's ridic

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that can't be true right Ryan yeah mmm

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yeah so that's that that's wonderful to

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hear that this action is being taken in

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Sweden I mean do you find generally

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need to concern themselves with yeah I

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anthroposophical movement because they

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are probably still have a lot of

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supporters here even though it's now

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being phased out but the other thing is

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of course the anti-vaccine you know we

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following the the with horror we're

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following the measles epidemic going

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over the world and not not in the least

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in Europe I'm I think we will look at

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over a hundred thousand cases in Europe

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before the end of this year mmm the the

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increase is exponential it's not slowing

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down at all so it's really really

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terrible WHL released a report a few

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months ago saying they made a study and

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they say that the vaccination rates in

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the world overall has not improved over

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the last eight years it was still at the

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persuasive the other side can be with

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their emotive fear campaigns and it

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oddly it reminds me of things in the

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past where people will say well just be

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careful and and you know don't trust the

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government and teach both sides and you

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know more research needs to be done and

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your children are more important all

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this can appeal I think to young parents

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yes yes and and as a parent of course

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you are looking for anything that could

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help or improve your child's situation

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in any case so you're open to to look at

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anything and that's that's very

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dangerous absolutely absolutely so again

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I'm pleased to hear of any progress

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being made in

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any part of the world but now how long

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have the the Swedish skeptics been been

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operating the Swedish skeptics were

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founded in in 1982

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so that was well before I was active so

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it started with a few professors or

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academics who got together and thought

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we need to do something about this

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nonsense

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Yuri Geller was big I think it seems

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Randi did a lot to inspire this

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formation as well and for for the first

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ten years it was more or less it was

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maybe a hundred people 100 members who

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kept in contact and there was a small

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leaflet or they call it a magazine but

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to be honest in the beginning was just a

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printed paper circulated and but then in

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the early 90s it started to take off and

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by the end of the 90s we had over 2,000

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members and we're now well we're trying

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to reach 3000 now and it's it's a big

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movement we have we have our prices we

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just like you hand out the bent spoon

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award and whatnot we have our shame

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price and we have our enlightener of the

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Year prize as well for somebody's done

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very well and we do get quite some

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publicity in the papers etc when once we

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hand out these awards so yeah I think

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we're we're a healthy organization and

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we're looking to do even more well of

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course the Australian skeptics have had

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a long long policy a long time policy of

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helping any sceptical group around the

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world so of course we're always ready to

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help and speaking from the sceptic zone

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the skeptic zone has in fact been

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helping in our very small way for quite

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a few years now by running promotions

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about the swedish sceptics that is

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correct thank you very much and of

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course and of course we've been running

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promotions for well ever since you

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started with the ESP what a wonderful

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name for a podcast for those people who

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who may not have caught up with the ESP

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can you tell us a little bit of

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that and how that's progressing yeah yes

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we we just three of us Andrus Gillian

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and myself the unrest is from Hungary

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Jelena is from Latvia and I'm from

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Sweden obviously and we met a couple of

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times and we had a susan gerbic as a

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mutual friend uh-huh and we got together

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and we hit it off right away and said we

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need to do something and we realized

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that there is there was a gap in all the

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podcasts out there there was nobody who

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was covering the European scene per se

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when he when you look at not just the

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english-speaking Europe but all of the

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other countries like Italy Spain and

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Germany Hungary Czech Czech Republic etc

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it was very hard to get news in English

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from all of these countries today we

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know people in all these places or

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remote not all of them but but now we do

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and we among the three of us we speak a

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number of languages and there's always

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Google Translate so let's do that and I

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I think we are doing something that is

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needed really and I think we've brought

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an awareness that there are skeptic

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groups in every country I can say that

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you don't hear a lot about the Romanian

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skeptics but they're there mmm and I

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think through this podcast these some of

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them rather small groups are getting to

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know of each other and they can contact

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each other because we are all fighting

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the same fight really especially since a

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lot of the legislation is the same or

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similar in you folks if you're not too

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sure the podcast is in English but

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that's really a practical solution isn't

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it yes yes it is it is because we wanted

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well English is the most spoken language

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other easiest language to reach out in

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and anyway it was the language we knew

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best as well apart from our local

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language and and it has an appeal

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because if you look if we look at our

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listener numbers actually we have a lot

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of listeners in in the US you know

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straight

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in other countries as well and we do

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also interview people from time to time

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prominent skeptics that are not from

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Europe such as yourself Richard you mean

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on new time my her views we've had James

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Rahon we've had James Randi and we've

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had J novella several times once even as

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a co-host so so I think it's not just

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for European listeners if if you're

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interested in these topics I think you

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can enjoy this if from Argentina or

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Korea or wherever mmm well all podcasts

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of course a worldwide which is important

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to remember I try to keep that in the

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back of my mind - I've got listeners

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from all around the world and I'm very

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pleased to say quite a lot of listeners

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in Sweden and Norway and I'm not sure

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about Finland I'm not sure about that

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but Sweden and Norway seem to like the

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skeptic zone so I'm very pleased about

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that yeah yeah all the skeptics I would

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say that I talked to in Sweden Oh most

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of them they are very well aware of what

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you're doing Richard so yes now of

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course here in Australia coming up in

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December we've got skeptic on 2019 we've

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got the skeptics guide to the universe

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and susan gerbic who we mentioned before

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i know there's big conventions coming up

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in Las Vegas with saikhan over there I'm

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going to Dragon Con meetings getting to

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know other skeptics hearing talks are

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very important and I hear there's one

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coming up in your part of the world yes

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absolutely

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in just a couple of weeks we are meeting

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all the European skeptics are meeting in

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Ghent in Belgium for the European

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skeptics Congress which is a it's every

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second year and it's in different places

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every time and this time it is the the

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Belgian and Dutch skeptics together to

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organize this and it's going to be a

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full weekend or more than a weekend

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really and with fantastic speakers and

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and and very interesting topics that

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would be exciting I would love to visit

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that maybe whoa let me see now maybe in

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2021 I can I can work something out what

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is it what's the date of that that it

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starts on the 28th

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of August and finishes on the 1st of

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September so it's just that the month

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end here coming up and there I mean week

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we can say that there with there will be

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talks about of course quackery there

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will be a 30 year retrospective about

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the European skepticism mm-hmm looking

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forward to look at to hear about there

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will be animalistic psychology with our

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friend Christopher French from from the

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UK very interesting about near-death

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experiences and things like that and

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then there will be a section about green

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scepticism so that's this bit about

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climate change and GMOs and things like

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that wow you're wetting my appetite I I

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mean I can't be in two places at once

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but that sounds like we'll be yeah that

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sounds like it'll be a terrific a

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terrific meeting folks I will add the

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URL in this week's show notes but for

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now upon this what is the website for

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that it is ESC 2019 with numbers dot B e

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for Belgium uh-huh that's that's the

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website to go to folks but of course

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there'll be a link in this week's show

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notes now part is just getting back to

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the ESB because you know I'm a podcaster

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at HUD I love doing a weekly show how

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how do have you found it to be involved

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in a regular podcast is it something

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that you still like doing is it

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difficult to line up interviews do you

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have technical problems yes and yes and

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yes

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I love it I think it's it's my favorite

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pastime now these days and but it is

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hard to I think we've managed most of

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the technical things now I mean we've

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done this for almost four years so shame

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on arson figured it out by now but the

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problem I think the biggest problem is

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to find time where we where we can

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record because we're on different time

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zones no and and rush has a he's working

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as a tour guide so it's constantly

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traveling so we are doing the recordings

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most crazy hours of the of the day but

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we do it because we love it and it's

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really really fun to do and of course

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once when we got together the three of

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us we hardly knew each other I mean we

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met a couple of times but now of course

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I'm Brazilian are my best friends that I

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talk to every week so it's very good

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very good

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and and I should say we also have other

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we had Claire Klingenberg who is yes she

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had she is also the head of the European

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Council of sceptical organizations

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mm-hmm

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behind the European skeptics Congress as

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she's been sitting in as co-hosts to

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come number of times and also Brian ergo

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from from Glasgow yes he is also joy to

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have on the podcast well I mean yeah and

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you're finding out what I have found out

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over the last 10 years nearly 11 years

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of the sceptic zone is you meet the most

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amazing people and and but part of that

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for me is sometimes waking up my alarm

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goes off at 3 o'clock in the morning

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because I've got an interview lined up

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with someone in some strange part of the

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world I have to accommodate them of

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course but that's all part of the fun

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and then there's brain glowing

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microphones and what hookup can we use

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and can I call you and all this sort of

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thing it's a it's a fascinating part of

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this bizarre this bizarre lifestyle

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we've chosen I guess any podcaster would

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go through that but I think we're

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particularly lucky we're particularly

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lucky because we get to combine our love

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of science and skepticism with our love

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of podcasting yes yes absolutely

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well Ponder's what a what a pleasure it

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has been to catch up with you once again

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folks again links to the ESP links to

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the upcoming meeting in Ghent in Belgium

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in this week's show notes and who knows

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pontus one day we could might be able to

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do a joint podcast where we can all be

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in the same room with Jay novella and

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everybody in you and me and the whole of

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ESP and everybody we can think of that

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would be a lot of fun that sounds great

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I thought must happen something

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that must happen sometime but for now

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all the way from malmö in southern

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Sweden fountas thank you very much

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thanks a lot Richards thank you

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hey Sam have you ever wondered what

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really wrong lately you can find out all

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562
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563
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I don't know why you can't believe

565
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[Music]

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00:26:58,650 --> 00:26:54,780
it's super-science Saturday hit the

567
00:27:00,660 --> 00:26:58,660
Australian Museum the museum is going to

568
00:27:01,370 --> 00:27:00,670
be shutting later this month for a whole

569
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year

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for a massive renovation and

571
00:27:09,330 --> 00:27:07,570
refurbishment so it's great to see one

572
00:27:13,820 --> 00:27:09,340
of the holes here completely taken over

573
00:27:19,710 --> 00:27:17,640
organizations and hundreds of people

574
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:19,720
mostly children here as well really good

575
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:22,090
to see I'll be performing the mystery

576
00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:24,370
investigators show a little bit later on

577
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:26,230
in the afternoon two performances this

578
00:27:30,990 --> 00:27:28,650
afternoon with my good friend Ian Bryce

579
00:27:33,930 --> 00:27:31,000
who is one of the original members of

580
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:33,940
the show way back in all 2003 I think it

581
00:27:42,930 --> 00:27:38,799
was but this Hall is filled with very

582
00:27:45,239 --> 00:27:42,940
interesting and interactive things to do

583
00:27:47,779 --> 00:27:45,249
and I just had a virtual reality tour

584
00:27:50,339 --> 00:27:47,789
inside the ANSTO facility which is

585
00:27:55,229 --> 00:27:50,349
Australia's only nuclear reactor

586
00:27:56,729 --> 00:27:55,239
I think they mostly make things for

587
00:27:58,619 --> 00:27:56,739
medical purposes there but was

588
00:28:01,379 --> 00:27:58,629
fascinating great use of the technology

589
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:01,389
and virtual reality is certainly

590
00:28:06,330 --> 00:28:04,809
improving bit by bit every year I really

591
00:28:09,239 --> 00:28:06,340
felt I was in some of the rooms there

592
00:28:12,869 --> 00:28:09,249
that was quite something we have another

593
00:28:16,849 --> 00:28:12,879
display over here a superconductor with

594
00:28:19,049 --> 00:28:16,859
a little supercooled magnet on a track

595
00:28:21,690 --> 00:28:19,059
going upside down and round and round

596
00:28:23,910 --> 00:28:21,700
good to see it in person have only seen

597
00:28:26,550 --> 00:28:23,920
it on the TV

598
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:26,560
Macquarie University are here they've

599
00:28:31,230 --> 00:28:28,810
got a big group here studying frogs and

600
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tadpoles which the kids just love you

601
00:28:40,919 --> 00:28:37,259
the University of Wollongong with their

602
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science space and kids are crowding

603
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:43,120
around there's a couple of presenters

604
00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:44,529
there with balloons and liquid nitrogen

605
00:28:51,090 --> 00:28:47,700
and all sorts of those

606
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:51,100
it certainly is loud in here

607
00:29:00,820 --> 00:28:58,149
New South Wales national parks and

608
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wildlife service's the Museum of applied

609
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arts and sciences have a display

610
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sometimes I think I'm gonna be

611
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and of course part of the Museum of

612
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applied Arts and Sciences is Sydney

613
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observatory

614
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which is a wonderful place to visit if

615
00:29:28,290 --> 00:29:26,080
you ever come to Sydney

616
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the Australian Museum themselves of

617
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:30,520
course have a number of tables here

618
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displaying all sorts of things

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[Music]

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it's quite hard to get my way through

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here there's so many people here and as

622
00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:48,299
I said mostly kids it's Ian Bryce from

623
00:29:51,109 --> 00:29:49,590
the Australian skeptics of the mr.

624
00:29:53,299 --> 00:29:51,119
investigators Ian it's so great to see

625
00:29:55,969 --> 00:29:53,309
so many kids here yes it is indeed

626
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:55,979
that's the next generation but we must

627
00:30:01,219 --> 00:29:57,450
admit to a bit of surprise and

628
00:30:04,909 --> 00:30:01,229
disappointment from the UTS here science

629
00:30:06,019 --> 00:30:04,919
dot UTS dot edu a you we're walking

630
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along looking at everything and what

631
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,830
comes up on the screen we see

632
00:30:13,879 --> 00:30:09,840
acupuncture and not only that but

633
00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:13,889
cupping cupping here in a science

634
00:30:22,009 --> 00:30:16,700
afternoon with children everywhere and

635
00:30:24,859 --> 00:30:22,019
the UTS promoting what they do and

636
00:30:26,180 --> 00:30:24,869
cupping comes up yes the brochure says

637
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it's part of their Bachelor of Health

638
00:30:30,589 --> 00:30:27,899
Science and perdition or Chinese

639
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:30,599
medicine which lists acupuncture it

640
00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:32,129
doesn't put cupping on that page but

641
00:30:36,289 --> 00:30:33,419
apparently cupping is one of the

642
00:30:39,549 --> 00:30:36,299
modalities you learn so there's so much

643
00:30:41,899 --> 00:30:39,559
for science and evidence-based practices

644
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:41,909
you know what this might be worth have

645
00:30:47,749 --> 00:30:44,460
been spoon domination indeed yes let's

646
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:47,759
look into them and of course the UTS

647
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:49,289
stands for the University of Technology

648
00:30:54,139 --> 00:30:52,710
in Sydney and it's not not too far from

649
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:54,149
here really it's down the road and

650
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:01,410
mmm Ian we just completed one show we're

651
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:03,730
both eating a minty it's very bad form

652
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:05,890
to eat something while you're talking on

653
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:07,840
a microphone but that's right well let's

654
00:31:12,420 --> 00:31:10,210
do it anyway do it anyway look at this

655
00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:12,430
the crowds just pouring in mums and dads

656
00:31:17,580 --> 00:31:14,950
and kids ready for the next machine

657
00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:17,590
Investigator shop it's like a second

658
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,350
sellout show so that's great what a lot

659
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:22,480
of fun okay new house we better get to

660
00:31:29,970 --> 00:31:27,970
it now this year we performed in front

661
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:29,980
of a mixed audience mums and dads and

662
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:30,970
kids of all ages

663
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:32,650
normally the mystery investigators

664
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:35,200
performs for selected school groups

665
00:31:39,390 --> 00:31:36,970
primary school or high school or

666
00:31:41,550 --> 00:31:39,400
something like that so it was a nice

667
00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:41,560
change it was a treat to perform before

668
00:31:47,130 --> 00:31:44,830
all age groups and after the show we had

669
00:31:50,010 --> 00:31:47,140
a lot of people come down a lot of kids

670
00:31:53,670 --> 00:31:50,020
for photographs and thanking us which is

671
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:53,680
so nice and a lot of parents coming down

672
00:31:58,410 --> 00:31:56,320
saying how much they enjoyed the show

673
00:32:00,390 --> 00:31:58,420
which means I think the mix is probably

674
00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:00,400
pretty good it's got a lot of very

675
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:02,260
interesting things like examples of

676
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:06,010
pareidolia it ends with pictures from

677
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:08,890
Mars which a lot of the parents really

678
00:32:13,770 --> 00:32:11,770
seem to like and the water divining the

679
00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:13,780
water dousing tests in the middle of the

680
00:32:20,010 --> 00:32:17,520
show always keep the audience spellbound

681
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,020
although I must say a strange thing

682
00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:22,720
happened in show 1 where we were

683
00:32:27,780 --> 00:32:25,020
demonstrating the bed of nails and

684
00:32:30,090 --> 00:32:27,790
before I lie down on the bed of nails I

685
00:32:31,770 --> 00:32:30,100
show everybody that the nails are real

686
00:32:33,570 --> 00:32:31,780
we have a member of the audience come

687
00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:33,580
down and test the nails by touching them

688
00:32:38,250 --> 00:32:36,670
and making sure they're real then I sort

689
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:38,260
of dropped the bed of nails down on the

690
00:32:43,220 --> 00:32:41,170
ground so it makes a big thud so people

691
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:43,230
can tell it's a heavy bed of nails

692
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,610
unfortunately one of the locks we used

693
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:47,440
to lock up the bed of nails got stuck

694
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:49,810
underneath when I dropped it and it's

695
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:53,290
smashed to smithereens when I looked

696
00:32:59,760 --> 00:32:56,110
down I could see the remnants of a lock

697
00:33:02,010 --> 00:32:59,770
a little combination lock absolutely

698
00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:02,020
smashed all the bits spread everywhere

699
00:33:07,260 --> 00:33:05,320
yes there are dangers to performing

700
00:33:09,890 --> 00:33:07,270
especially to poor little combination

701
00:33:12,420 --> 00:33:09,900
locks good thing we have insurance

702
00:33:15,670 --> 00:33:12,430
[Music]

703
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:15,680
it's all hovering I can I can hardly

704
00:33:20,830 --> 00:33:19,010
talk even though I was miked it was so

705
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:20,840
exciting and the kids and the adults and

706
00:33:24,730 --> 00:33:22,610
everybody loved it so much it was a

707
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:24,740
really good show to two shows yes I

708
00:33:28,330 --> 00:33:26,210
think it was great I noticed we had a

709
00:33:31,060 --> 00:33:28,340
slightly younger audience than other

710
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:31,070
years yeah well a lot of parents with

711
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:34,250
younger kids but all that all the people

712
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:36,290
coming up after the show to thank us was

713
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,930
just so um really it's really gratifying

714
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:40,640
and they all wanted to try their own

715
00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:43,970
divining after the show which was even

716
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:45,980
more fun we had an interesting case

717
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:50,000
where in the first show people divined

718
00:33:53,020 --> 00:33:51,530
correctly when they could see the bottle

719
00:33:54,910 --> 00:33:53,030
then suddenly all the divining powers

720
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:54,920
disappeared in the next stage which was

721
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:57,410
a bit awkward and then a young lady in

722
00:34:00,610 --> 00:33:58,880
the second show found the water which

723
00:34:03,370 --> 00:34:00,620
was fun yes even though it was

724
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:03,380
double-blind them and randomized yeah I

725
00:34:07,780 --> 00:34:05,090
just crossing the street now here in the

726
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,790
museum so it's quite exhausting being on

727
00:34:12,220 --> 00:34:09,679
the ball for two performances in a row

728
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,230
but it's a wonderful fun the Miss

729
00:34:18,909 --> 00:34:14,000
investigators have now been performing

730
00:34:20,830 --> 00:34:18,919
the sixteen years which is a bit

731
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:20,840
frightening when I think about it and

732
00:34:25,659 --> 00:34:22,850
certainly a long time and a lot of shows

733
00:34:28,180 --> 00:34:25,669
and but and main art helps a new help

734
00:34:30,220 --> 00:34:28,190
and I've had both of you like stand on

735
00:34:32,050 --> 00:34:30,230
my back while I'm lying on the bed of

736
00:34:33,790 --> 00:34:32,060
nails many times and somehow I survived

737
00:34:36,930 --> 00:34:33,800
but I don't think we've stood on it

738
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:36,940
simultaneously mine may not and myself

739
00:34:44,090 --> 00:34:39,510
but one's enough when Xena

740
00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:44,100
one's enough and yeah so science

741
00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:45,720
Saturday and the museum was been a great

742
00:34:54,129 --> 00:34:49,740
hit for everybody apart from the cupping

743
00:34:57,380 --> 00:34:54,139
which is a bit of a worry UTS science

744
00:35:00,050 --> 00:34:57,390
department has a video promoting their

745
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:00,060
the skills they teach which includes

746
00:35:05,330 --> 00:35:03,720
acupuncture and cupping now I have to

747
00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:05,340
look into that I was hoping that the

748
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:06,630
cupping was a demonstration of

749
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,850
thermodynamics where you you heat up the

750
00:35:13,340 --> 00:35:11,040
gas you seal it off you cool the gas and

751
00:35:14,330 --> 00:35:13,350
then it sucks it contracts there was

752
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:14,340
nothing to do with that it was

753
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:16,170
traditional Chinese medicine so that was

754
00:35:19,820 --> 00:35:18,300
a bit disappointing well what I found

755
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:19,830
disappointing was that cupping was on

756
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,330
display on their promotional video and

757
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:23,280
there were hundreds of kids walking past

758
00:35:28,099 --> 00:35:25,770
yes indeed not a good look

759
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:28,109
UTS not a good look alongside real

760
00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:30,410
science like Phil had a filter water

761
00:35:34,940 --> 00:35:33,270
that's a purified seawater and so forth

762
00:35:36,980 --> 00:35:34,950
real sorry lots of real science there

763
00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:36,990
get inside a cube alongside acupuncture

764
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:39,300
and capping yeah we might be having a

765
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:42,090
word to them about that but I mean on

766
00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:44,490
the positive side it was great fun to do

767
00:35:48,740 --> 00:35:45,990
such good shows alone and I must admit

768
00:35:51,260 --> 00:35:48,750
to um I wouldn't say plagiarizing Carl

769
00:35:52,609 --> 00:35:51,270
Sagan but inspired towards the end of

770
00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:52,619
the our show we have a picture of the

771
00:35:58,010 --> 00:35:55,320
Earth from Mars and I talked about the

772
00:36:00,260 --> 00:35:58,020
pale blue dot yes that's right it's

773
00:36:02,270 --> 00:36:00,270
quite revealing to think that all of the

774
00:36:05,090 --> 00:36:02,280
kids there and their parents and all of

775
00:36:06,830 --> 00:36:05,100
the history of mankind took place not in

776
00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:06,840
the universe at large but in one tiny

777
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,020
little pale blue dot yeah yeah but that

778
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:12,480
impressed the kids I think it did with a

779
00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:13,770
lot of oohs and ahhs which was really

780
00:36:19,070 --> 00:36:15,660
nice I think then carries them to take

781
00:36:22,490 --> 00:36:19,080
better care of our pale blue dot than

782
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:22,500
their parents hopefully so well I have

783
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:24,090
to take care of my voice it's just about

784
00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:27,810
shot now I think he and we might we're

785
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:29,400
heading downtown City at the moment

786
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:31,500
maybe to find a nice watering hole or

787
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:35,400
something and then look forward to 2020

788
00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:52,510
[Music]

789
00:37:02,920 --> 00:36:56,140
the Surf Coast summer spring skeptic app

790
00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:02,930
14th of September this Surf Coast summer

791
00:37:08,260 --> 00:37:05,990
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792
00:37:10,510 --> 00:37:08,270
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793
00:37:15,610 --> 00:37:10,520
this year we are celebrating our seventh

794
00:37:18,070 --> 00:37:15,620
year if you want to share something on a

795
00:37:20,170 --> 00:37:18,080
skeptically related topic in which you

796
00:37:22,750 --> 00:37:20,180
are interested highlight some practices

797
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that you see is dubious and need to be

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00:37:26,890 --> 00:37:24,140
brought to the attention of the

799
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skeptical community please offer to

800
00:37:32,350 --> 00:37:29,360
share your thoughts this is a sharing

801
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event where many contributors combine to

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make a great day the event is free

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however please provide your own lunch

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but don't worry there are plenty of

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options

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00:37:46,030 --> 00:37:43,220
locally tea coffee and biscuits will be

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00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:46,040
provided all day that's Saturday the

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14th of September 2019 10:30 a.m. to

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4:00 p.m.

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the location is Aries in that community

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hall 6 Great Ocean Road aireys inlet

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Victoria office to present should be

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made to the skeptic groups of Victoria

814
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email address at SG o f v IC @ gmail.com

815
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and to register just follow the links in

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the Surf Coast summer/spring Skippy camp

817
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Australia's longest-running skeptic

818
00:38:42,749 --> 00:38:40,569
Hammond once again we turn to the pages

819
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:42,759
of the skeptic the journal from

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Australian skeptics this time we go back

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to 1996 volume 16 number one and on page

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32 vinegar can be used for what by Glen

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Cod will want to get rich quick join the

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nutrition quackery promoters of fad

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mobilizers amino acid tablets cellulite

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treatments food combining digestive

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enzyme tablets fantasy books for example

828
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fit for life weight loss fraud protein

829
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powders fake vitamins magic nutrients

830
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finding non-existent allergies vitamin

831
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b12 injections can't securing diets and

832
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the list goes on better still create

833
00:39:41,870 --> 00:39:37,859
some new quackery success is measured by

834
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financial income not health outcome a

835
00:39:46,859 --> 00:39:44,079
personal favourite is the recent

836
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:46,869
advertisement campaign for a book on the

837
00:39:52,739 --> 00:39:51,249
new superfood vinegar the advertisement

838
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:52,749
makes the following statements

839
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scientific studies praised the curative

840
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and preventative powers of vinegar

841
00:40:02,930 --> 00:40:00,460
scientific tests show it's a natural

842
00:40:05,999 --> 00:40:02,940
storehouse of vitamins and minerals over

843
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93 different components to fight what

844
00:40:11,759 --> 00:40:09,460
ails you and to help extend life you'll

845
00:40:15,329 --> 00:40:11,769
learn how to melt away pounds with a

846
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:15,339
mealtime vinegar cocktail just one

847
00:40:20,549 --> 00:40:17,710
spoonful of apple cider vinegar is

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00:40:23,609 --> 00:40:20,559
endowed with vitamins minerals enzymes

849
00:40:26,789 --> 00:40:23,619
amino acids and important pectin and

850
00:40:29,759 --> 00:40:26,799
beta keratin whoops that last ones a

851
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:29,769
challah vinegar is a lousy source of

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essential nutrient

853
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:34,329
in fact the national value of Australian

854
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foods the US Department of Agriculture

855
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and the British food tables

856
00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:42,730
McCann's and Widdowson all lists vinegar

857
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:45,550
as having no fiber therefore no pectin

858
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:49,119
no vitamins therefore no beta keratin

859
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:52,930
and only a mere trace of calcium or iron

860
00:40:59,940 --> 00:40:56,530
and the same amount of protein and amino

861
00:41:04,500 --> 00:40:59,950
acids as you will find in one teaspoon

862
00:41:07,020 --> 00:41:04,510
of breadcrumbs or less USDA claims nil

863
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:07,030
protein the number may have been rounded

864
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:10,570
down the advertisement then lists 20

865
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medicinal properties of vinegar

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including help lower cholesterol

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00:41:23,130 --> 00:41:19,810
forestall osteoporosis help coughs and

868
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:23,140
colds lower high blood pressure relieve

869
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:25,810
nighttime leg cramps these are

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00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:27,730
significant claims all of which have

871
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:30,700
evaded me in the last 20 years I had the

872
00:41:37,170 --> 00:41:33,070
Chuckle when it also listed the old

873
00:41:40,740 --> 00:41:37,180
quackery perlers aids digestion improves

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00:41:43,710 --> 00:41:40,750
metabolism and aids to maintain health

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00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:43,720
nothing like some meaningless feel-good

876
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:47,020
statements to pad out your list my first

877
00:41:51,420 --> 00:41:48,910
complaint went to the magazine that

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00:41:56,809 --> 00:41:51,430
published the advertisement stating that

879
00:42:00,780 --> 00:41:56,819
it included lies deception and quackery

880
00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:00,790
the potentially most damaging problem

881
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:04,150
was that the advert was illegal due to

882
00:42:10,589 --> 00:42:06,970
the statement you'll learn how to melt

883
00:42:13,650 --> 00:42:10,599
away pounds in the slimming advertising

884
00:42:16,410 --> 00:42:13,660
code Media Council of Australia it

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00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:16,420
points out that all advertising which

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00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:19,089
includes weight loss claim shall conform

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00:42:24,690 --> 00:42:21,609
to the requirements of this code this

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00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:24,700
advertisement doesn't furthermore the

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00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:27,250
code states all advertisements shall be

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subject to prior clearance by the

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relevant clearance office with print

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media the clearance number allocated

893
00:42:39,660 --> 00:42:36,550
shall be displayed within the dimensions

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00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:39,670
of the advertisement any advertisement

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00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:42,400
which does not meet these criteria shall

896
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,530
be deemed to be in breach of the code

897
00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:46,960
no relevant Australian publishing Bureau

898
00:42:54,830 --> 00:42:50,230
clearance number was included with the

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advert the magazine replied quickly and

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reassured me that the advert would no

901
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:01,180
longer be included and guess who was

902
00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:04,720
peeved the books Australian distributor

903
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:08,950
willow tree press phoned me from Sydney

904
00:43:16,070 --> 00:43:11,920
on the 3rd of November and advised me

905
00:43:19,590 --> 00:43:16,080
against taking on tresco publishes us I

906
00:43:22,460 --> 00:43:19,600
thanked him for the warning on his

907
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:22,470
second call he had calmed down somewhat

908
00:43:29,820 --> 00:43:25,710
the greatest remedy for anger is delay

909
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:29,830
Seneca I explained my great interest in

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00:43:35,940 --> 00:43:32,400
the therapeutic powers of vinegar and

911
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:35,950
could he please forward any scientific

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00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:38,770
details as these had never previously

913
00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:41,050
entered the public health discussion

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among health professionals

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00:43:47,130 --> 00:43:45,040
he offered to send me a copy of the

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00:43:49,050 --> 00:43:47,140
vinegar book guaranteed to answer my

917
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:49,060
questions as there was a list of

918
00:43:53,550 --> 00:43:51,610
references at the back of the book the

919
00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:53,560
answers were easy to find

920
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,870
they were on the inside front cover and

921
00:44:00,480 --> 00:43:57,040
on page 2

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00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:00,490
allow me to quote this book is intended

923
00:44:07,110 --> 00:44:03,760
as a record of folk lore and historical

924
00:44:10,410 --> 00:44:07,120
solutions no claims are intended as to

925
00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:10,420
the safety or endorsing or effectiveness

926
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:13,120
of any of the remedies remember these

927
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:15,540
are only folk remedies not

928
00:44:24,180 --> 00:44:20,250
scientifically proven cures I repeat not

929
00:44:26,010 --> 00:44:24,190
scientifically proven cures now that

930
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,020
would have been a useful and honest

931
00:44:30,990 --> 00:44:28,240
statement to include in the advert

932
00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:31,000
indeed the author has our welfare at

933
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:33,640
heart we are told that the Select

934
00:44:39,090 --> 00:44:36,010
Committee on Aging's Subcommittee on

935
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:39,100
Health and long-term care House of

936
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:42,640
Representative 98 Congress calls the

937
00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:45,730
marketing of supposed arthritis cures a

938
00:44:53,250 --> 00:44:50,230
10 billion dollar a year scandal it is

939
00:44:55,980 --> 00:44:53,260
much cheaper to use her arthritis remedy

940
00:44:59,150 --> 00:44:55,990
of 1 teaspoon of honey

941
00:45:01,890 --> 00:44:59,160
and one teaspoon of apple cider vinegar

942
00:45:04,530 --> 00:45:01,900
mixed into a glass of water and taken

943
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:04,540
morning and evening I looked at 14 of

944
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:06,490
the references listed in the back of the

945
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,450
book of these eleven made no mention of

946
00:45:16,380 --> 00:45:12,640
vinegar rather they referred to

947
00:45:18,750 --> 00:45:16,390
nutrients not found in vinegar to others

948
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:18,760
referred to vinegar reducing the

949
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:22,570
severity of jellyfish stings this is

950
00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:24,640
well established in the Australian Red

951
00:45:30,690 --> 00:45:27,849
Cross first aid textbook recommends to

952
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:30,700
pour vinegar over the stung area to

953
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,609
inactivate bee stinging capsules and as

954
00:45:37,530 --> 00:45:35,680
an aside I'll say it's interesting that

955
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:37,540
in the years since this was published I

956
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:41,890
think the science now recommends against

957
00:45:47,460 --> 00:45:45,130
doing this we read on the final

958
00:45:50,730 --> 00:45:47,470
reference discussed the calcium content

959
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:50,740
of soup stock with added vinegar where

960
00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:54,160
the author comments the decrease in pH

961
00:46:01,500 --> 00:45:57,730
due to the addition of 60 milliliters of

962
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,510
vinegar was insufficient to extract a

963
00:46:06,510 --> 00:46:03,520
significant amount of calcium from the

964
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:06,520
bones this is not the impression you get

965
00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:09,130
from reading page 18 of the book which

966
00:46:13,859 --> 00:46:12,190
implies vinegar added to soup can make a

967
00:46:16,170 --> 00:46:13,869
difference in the calcium which is

968
00:46:19,230 --> 00:46:16,180
pulled from boiled soup bones

969
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:19,240
it is certainly bold of the author of

970
00:46:24,450 --> 00:46:21,280
the vinegar book to include a reference

971
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:24,460
that refutes the various surgeons she

972
00:46:30,750 --> 00:46:27,730
makes misrepresenting research findings

973
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:30,760
is common in nutrition quackery amino

974
00:46:35,460 --> 00:46:32,770
acids and bodybuilding is a wonderful

975
00:46:38,460 --> 00:46:35,470
example the very next sentence from this

976
00:46:41,099 --> 00:46:38,470
reference is nutrition misinformation

977
00:46:44,430 --> 00:46:41,109
can lead consumers into making choices

978
00:46:47,339 --> 00:46:44,440
that may result in serious consequences

979
00:46:51,300 --> 00:46:47,349
which would be the case if an individual

980
00:46:53,780 --> 00:46:51,310
relied primarily on a vinegar-based soup

981
00:46:56,570 --> 00:46:53,790
stock as a source of dietary calcium

982
00:46:58,980 --> 00:46:56,580
this study demonstrates the

983
00:47:01,950 --> 00:46:58,990
responsibility of the nutritional health

984
00:47:04,380 --> 00:47:01,960
professional to evaluate nutrition

985
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:04,390
information critically through direct

986
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:07,690
research or thorough review of reputable

987
00:47:10,809 --> 00:47:08,930
literature in

988
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:10,819
to provide the public with the most

989
00:47:20,020 --> 00:47:16,240
accurate information available precisely

990
00:47:21,970 --> 00:47:20,030
and there is a footnote a complaint was

991
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:21,980
also forwarded to the advertising

992
00:47:27,819 --> 00:47:24,650
standard Council the advertising

993
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:27,829
watchdog consequently the advertisement

994
00:47:32,890 --> 00:47:31,040
cannot be run in its current form in a

995
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:32,900
phone conversation with the Australian

996
00:47:39,730 --> 00:47:36,410
distributor on the 8th of December 1995

997
00:47:42,250 --> 00:47:39,740
he said to me what you've done is a

998
00:47:44,650 --> 00:47:42,260
crying shame you've done a lot of harm

999
00:47:47,140 --> 00:47:44,660
to people who could have been cured of

1000
00:47:48,910 --> 00:47:47,150
ailments the vinegar book has sold a

1001
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:48,920
hundred and forty thousand copies in

1002
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:52,880
Australia and supposedly 2.5 million

1003
00:47:58,510 --> 00:47:54,290
worldwide

1004
00:47:59,290 --> 00:47:58,520
oh why was I born with scruples the

1005
00:48:04,530 --> 00:47:59,300
vinegar book

1006
00:48:08,140 --> 00:48:04,540
Emily Thacker Tresckow publishers 1994

1007
00:48:10,780 --> 00:48:08,150
and that report can be found in the

1008
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:10,790
pages of the skeptic magazine volume 16

1009
00:48:18,430 --> 00:48:16,130
number one from 1996 and I note that the

1010
00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:18,440
vinegar book is still available if you

1011
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:20,329
google the vinegar book you still find

1012
00:48:28,180 --> 00:48:23,530
copies a copies and older copies

1013
00:48:30,780 --> 00:48:28,190
available online for more reports

1014
00:48:36,510 --> 00:48:30,790
interviews and articles free to download

1015
00:48:42,140 --> 00:48:36,520
visit WWF tag scum day you

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00:48:46,740 --> 00:48:44,820
hi I'm Darren McKee one of the hosts of

1017
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:46,750
the reality check each week my co-host

1018
00:48:50,070 --> 00:48:48,490
and I explore a range of controversies

1019
00:48:51,570 --> 00:48:50,080
and curiosities using science and

1020
00:48:53,460 --> 00:48:51,580
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1021
00:48:55,050 --> 00:48:53,470
iTunes your favorite podcasting platform

1022
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1023
00:48:59,130 --> 00:48:56,650
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1024
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1025
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:00,790
then keep an open mind but not so open

1026
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:02,930
your brain falls out

1027
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,019
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1028
00:49:21,479 --> 00:49:17,920
zone now this week it's come to my

1029
00:49:24,450 --> 00:49:21,489
attention that Wakefield press Wakefield

1030
00:49:27,749 --> 00:49:24,460
press calm today you have just released

1031
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:27,759
a book called curious recollections life

1032
00:49:34,109 --> 00:49:30,329
in the curiosity show by Rob Morrison

1033
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:34,119
now we've interviewed Rob Morrison on

1034
00:49:39,180 --> 00:49:36,880
the show before many years ago Rob and

1035
00:49:41,009 --> 00:49:39,190
Dean Dean Hutton were the presenters of

1036
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:41,019
the curiosity show in the 70s and the

1037
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:43,930
80s here in Australia and did for people

1038
00:49:49,380 --> 00:49:46,960
like me it was a must-see after-school

1039
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:49,390
show how to make things how things

1040
00:49:57,180 --> 00:49:52,930
worked lots of science lots of science

1041
00:49:59,370 --> 00:49:57,190
for kids I even made a hovercraft by

1042
00:50:03,269 --> 00:49:59,380
watching the curiosity show and many

1043
00:50:05,459 --> 00:50:03,279
years later I actually got the chance to

1044
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:05,469
meet Rob and Dean which was fantastic

1045
00:50:11,549 --> 00:50:08,650
and I've been to Rob's house many years

1046
00:50:13,499 --> 00:50:11,559
ago I've spoken in front of both of them

1047
00:50:15,870 --> 00:50:13,509
which was quite a thrill talking about

1048
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:15,880
skepticism anyway if you remember the

1049
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:18,160
Curiosity show I'll add a link in this

1050
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:19,569
week's show notes for curious

1051
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:21,729
recollections life in the curiosity show

1052
00:50:26,729 --> 00:50:24,160
by Rob Morrison now the little blurb

1053
00:50:28,289 --> 00:50:26,739
says every child who grew up in

1054
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:28,299
Australia in the 70s and the 80s

1055
00:50:33,209 --> 00:50:31,210
remembers the Curiosity show the science

1056
00:50:35,999 --> 00:50:33,219
show that encouraged kids to build their

1057
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:36,009
own experiments at home running for 18

1058
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:38,170
years it was a groundbreaking television

1059
00:50:42,959 --> 00:50:40,569
production winning awards and screening

1060
00:50:45,450 --> 00:50:42,969
into homes around the world actually

1061
00:50:48,289 --> 00:50:45,460
that's true because the show was dubbed

1062
00:50:51,870 --> 00:50:48,299
into other languages including German

1063
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,880
which was quite fun anyway again a link

1064
00:50:56,009 --> 00:50:53,440
in this week's show notes if you grew up

1065
00:50:58,259 --> 00:50:56,019
with the Curiosity Show I'm sure you'd

1066
00:50:59,940 --> 00:50:58,269
want to get a copy of that book thank

1067
00:51:02,910 --> 00:50:59,950
you to those people who continue to

1068
00:51:05,309 --> 00:51:02,920
support the sceptic Zone in a very real

1069
00:51:08,249 --> 00:51:05,319
way financially there would be no show

1070
00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:08,259
unless people just like you supported

1071
00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:10,660
the show and you can do that via patreon

1072
00:51:15,779 --> 00:51:14,140
or PayPal at skeptic zone TV and I

1073
00:51:18,749 --> 00:51:15,789
encourage you to do so it'll give you a

1074
00:51:21,089 --> 00:51:18,759
wonderful warm feeling inside and help

1075
00:51:23,579 --> 00:51:21,099
me pay the bills for the show but of

1076
00:51:25,530 --> 00:51:23,589
course a very heartfelt thank you to the

1077
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:25,540
people who have been supporting the

1078
00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:28,480
so for many years and the people who

1079
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:31,150
just recently came on board the amount

1080
00:51:37,230 --> 00:51:33,970
is up to you but quite a few people have

1081
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:37,240
decided that five dollars a month is the

1082
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:40,480
right right contribution to make and

1083
00:51:44,550 --> 00:51:42,490
that's not too much to ask I don't think

1084
00:51:47,130 --> 00:51:44,560
next week's show we'll be coming to you

1085
00:51:49,530 --> 00:51:47,140
once again from California as I head

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over there to get ready to go to Dragon

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Con in Atlanta Georgia I need a little

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bit of time to frankly to get over

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jetlag otherwise I'm a complete mess I'm

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a complete wreck so I spend a little bit

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of time in California getting my head

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together getting my sea legs my land

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legs and then heading over to Dragon Con

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where I hope to bring you many hours of

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interesting interviews and insights and

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lots of fun from Atlanta but for this

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week

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this is Richard Saunders signing off

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from Sydney Australia you've been

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listening to the skeptic zone podcast

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of Australian skeptics or any other

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hello to the afterthoughts the people

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who tuned in after the music tuning keep

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listening to play the dice game and it's

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quite good doing this because I don't

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care if the planes come over which

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they're doing every minute and a half at

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the moment what's going on maybe it's

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because of the cold winds they have to

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change the flight path I'm not sure

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what's going on and you might guess that

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this studio is not exactly soundproof so

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I have to stop recording frequently some

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mornings anyway

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anyway yes the dice game for those

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people who don't know every now and then

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at the end of the show I will roll and

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die sometimes it's a d6 excited

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sometimes it's a d-10 it's been up to D

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60 in the past I think today it's going

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to be a d 100 well sort of I have a d-10

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10 sided die I'm gonna roll it twice

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twice you see and that will give you a

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number between 1 or from 1 to 100 I'm

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going to do this three times why not

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where's my pen no he's after write down

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the values here because I could forget

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here we go ready to go so I want you now

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to use your psychic powers

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here's your predicting powers and

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predict a number from 1 to 100 here we

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go the first number is 39 39 good luck

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if you got that ok the next number from

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3:53 39 and 53 in the last number how's

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your predicting going 50 again 57 all

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odd numbers all odd numbers three nine

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five three five seven thirty nine 53 57